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The Politics Thread
« on: January 12, 2014, 02:58:54 AM »
Here's how I'm going to try to run this thread, one topic, in which that topic will be discussed for about a week or so. We can try to keep this to topics that are debatable to various nations. We'll see how this thread goes, hopefully nobody goes insane.

Let's start with Abortion. Does anybody think here it should be illegal?

I feel that banning abortion, at least in the United States, would be senseless because abortion clinics would be held underground, in the hood where nobody would snitch. That's what happened in the United States before it was legal. Also, women can just force a miscarriage anyways. With that said, abortion clinics would be able to conduct abortions without the safety precaution, as the person doing the abortions would just do the abortion because they have a client, or want money, etc. This could also make the procedure unsafe.

The best way is to just encourage parents to teach their kids, simple as that.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2014, 11:35:15 AM »
Abortion should be legal

or we will return to when babies were found in dumpsters 

oh well that's what will happen in Spain again

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 02:26:02 PM »
I don't even understand how abortion can still be a topic of discussion, I find it ridiculous.

Of course women should have the choice over their body and life! If only just because not every situation is good to welcome a child and even more not every women should have child because there a really bad person out there!

In addition, I find no arguments against abortion valid :

-religious : we are in 2014 no country and nobody should make a choice based on personnal religious values instead of citizen values.
-the "killing a soul" : we all know the foetus only become a living being around 14 weeks and not before so it is not "killing". And even if it isn't, trust me no woman will tell you it was easy.
-Wich leads me to the "easy way out" argument : that is a horrifying argument. That's a men argument, cause any woman will know this is a traumatizing intervention that some women might take lightly but still suffer from it.


Overall, I think abortion is a women's right because it is the only way she can have a full control over her fecondity. No allowing us that is men taking the control of our body and to me, that is a true injustice.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 02:57:40 PM »
I remember that my aunt had to go to France during the dictatorship to abort when she was like 13 or 14

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 06:52:22 PM »
I thought Spain was the first nation to legalize abortion.

@Jaki, it's still a huge debate in the United States.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 07:59:34 PM »
I thought Spain was the first nation to legalize abortion.

@Jaki, it's still a huge debate in the United States.

I sadly know it is. I think it's not a matter of being liberal or conservative, religious or not, it's just a matter a right and that's it. It is women's right to have control over their body, that should never be questioned even by patriarchy.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2014, 03:46:59 PM »
Abortion is now illegal in Spain

#backtothedictatatorship

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2014, 05:15:32 PM »
Abortion is now illegal in Spain

#backtothedictatatorship
I think addoption of homossexual couples is also illegal in Portugal, lol.
There had a lot of controversy there.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2014, 05:26:43 PM »
I feel like the whole wold is going backwards these days, there seems to be a re-conservativity of the politics

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2014, 05:29:42 PM »
The first polls for presidential elections here this year.


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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2014, 05:38:33 PM »
The first polls for presidential elections here this year.

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I'm very unfamiliar with brasilian politics except for Dilma, who are the others and what politic do they represent ?

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 05:47:39 PM »
Quote from: Jaki
Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 11:29:42 AMThe first polls for presidential elections here this year.

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I'm very unfamiliar with brasilian politics except for Dilma, who are the others and what politic do they represent ?
The 2nd one is Marina Silva ambientalist and was from Green Party. :zzz
And the 3rd one Is a loser from Right-wing party.

In 2010 the results:

Dilma Rousseff (PT)47,651,43446.91%55,752,52956.05%
José Serra (PSDB)33,132,28332.61%43,711,38843.95%
Marina Silva (PV)19,636,35919.33%

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2014, 06:00:07 PM »
Quote from: Jaki
Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 11:29:42 AMThe first polls for presidential elections here this year.

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I'm very unfamiliar with brasilian politics except for Dilma, who are the others and what politic do they represent ?
The 2nd one is Marina Silva ambientalist and was from Green Party. :zzz
And the 3rd one Is a loser from Right-wing party.

In 2010 the results:

Dilma Rousseff (PT)47,651,43446.91%55,752,52956.05%
José Serra (PSDB)33,132,28332.61%43,711,38843.95%
Marina Silva (PV)19,636,35919.33%


I'm quite surprised the green party is so up there in the polls, but that's a great thing, even more for a country like Brazil!

Is there any influential non-religious political personality in Brazil ? Cause in France, our green party is very pro laicity, and pretty much against the idea of organized religions but I saw Silva was part of the biggest church in Brazil.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2014, 06:09:18 PM »
Quote from: Jaki
Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 11:47:39 AMQuote from: JakiQuote from: Gabriel on Today at 11:29:42 AMThe first polls for presidential elections here this year.

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I'm very unfamiliar with brasilian politics except for Dilma, who are the others and what politic do they represent ?The 2nd one is Marina Silva ambientalist and was from Green Party. (Image removed from quote.)
And the 3rd one Is a loser from Right-wing party.

In 2010 the results:

Dilma Rousseff (PT)47,651,43446.91%55,752,52956.05%
José Serra (PSDB)33,132,28332.61%43,711,38843.95%
Marina Silva (PV)19,636,35919.33%

I'm quite surprised the green party is so up there in the polls, but that's a great thing, even more for a country like Brazil!

Is there any influential non-religious political personality in Brazil ? Cause in France, our green party is very pro laicity, and pretty much against the idea of organized religions but I saw Silva was part of the biggest church in Brazil.
In 2010 the Green Party had 20 million votes. :o
But she abandoned the Green Party.

No they are all religious. ::)

Anyway the winner of BBB5 is now parliamentarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Wyllys



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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 06:18:35 PM »
Quote from: Jaki
Quote from: Gabriel on Today at 11:47:39 AMQuote from: JakiQuote from: Gabriel on Today at 11:29:42 AMThe first polls for presidential elections here this year.

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I'm very unfamiliar with brasilian politics except for Dilma, who are the others and what politic do they represent ?The 2nd one is Marina Silva ambientalist and was from Green Party. (Image removed from quote.)
And the 3rd one Is a loser from Right-wing party.

In 2010 the results:

Dilma Rousseff (PT)47,651,43446.91%55,752,52956.05%
José Serra (PSDB)33,132,28332.61%43,711,38843.95%
Marina Silva (PV)19,636,35919.33%

I'm quite surprised the green party is so up there in the polls, but that's a great thing, even more for a country like Brazil!

Is there any influential non-religious political personality in Brazil ? Cause in France, our green party is very pro laicity, and pretty much against the idea of organized religions but I saw Silva was part of the biggest church in Brazil.
In 2010 the Green Party had 20 million votes. :o
But she abandoned the Green Party.

No they are all religious. ::)

Anyway the winner of BBB5 is now parliamentarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Wyllys


The way Bazil is with religion is incredible. Settlers did a great work with it  :-\

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2014, 07:29:30 PM »

Who is this guy with 7%? I'm going to annul my vote this year.

Jaki, do you know Marco Feliciano? He's homophobic, racist and even then was the president of human rights. Now another ''homophobic'' is about to assume the presidency. His major argument is to not defend minorities.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2014, 07:43:12 PM »
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Who is this guy with 7%? I'm going to annul my vote this year.

Jaki, do you know Marco Feliciano? He's homophobic, racist and even then was the president of human rights. Now another ''homophobic'' is about to assume the presidency. His major argument is to not defend minorities.
You don't know? :o
Is Eduardo Campos from PSB.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2014, 08:02:19 PM »
I'm not really that big on politics. But the way I think is, that a total prohibition is never the answer. To anything. In Finland there was a prohibition of alcohol in the 1930's...it resulted in the most alcohol consumed ever. The stuff was just smuggled from Estonia, mostly.

To answer the question about abortion...I guess I kinda just did. If you make anything illegal, it just brings more crime with it. There has to be a better way.
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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2014, 08:14:42 PM »
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Quote from: RodWho is this guy with 7%? I'm going to annul my vote this year.

Jaki, do you know Marco Feliciano? He's homophobic, racist and even then was the president of human rights. Now another ''homophobic'' is about to assume the presidency. His major argument is to not defend minorities.You don't know? (Image removed from quote.)
Is Eduardo Campos from PSB.

No. From those three, I like Aécio Neves. I was rooting for Marina in 2010 and Dilma isn't a bad president. However, they are all the same when go to Brasília. That's why I'm going to cancel my vote.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2014, 08:56:13 PM »
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Quote from: GabrielQuote from: RodWho is this guy with 7%? I'm going to annul my vote this year.

Jaki, do you know Marco Feliciano? He's homophobic, racist and even then was the president of human rights. Now another ''homophobic'' is about to assume the presidency. His major argument is to not defend minorities.You don't know? (Image removed from quote.)
Is Eduardo Campos from PSB.
No. From those three, I like Aécio Neves. I was rooting for Marina in 2010 and Dilma isn't a bad president. However, they are all the same when go to Brasília. That's why I'm going to cancel my vote.
Probably i'll vote on Dilma.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2014, 09:00:32 PM »

Who is this guy with 7%? I'm going to annul my vote this year.

Jaki, do you know Marco Feliciano? He's homophobic, racist and even then was the president of human rights. Now another ''homophobic'' is about to assume the presidency. His major argument is to not defend minorities.

Yes I sadly know about him.. I don't understand how can someone like this happen. Even just the fact he is a pastor yet so hateful is repulsive to me. But I'm glat all his bullshit sparked so much outrage!

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2014, 09:02:08 PM »
Is Brazil as corrupted as it is said to be ? I'm sorry but I have such a great image of the brazilians yet i can't help but feel the country is overly corrupted when you see the difference between poor/rich.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2014, 09:22:50 PM »
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Quote from: Rod on Today at 04:29:30 PM
Who is this guy with 7%? I'm going to annul my vote this year.

Jaki, do you know Marco Feliciano? He's homophobic, racist and even then was the president of human rights. Now another ''homophobic'' is about to assume the presidency. His major argument is to not defend minorities.
Yes I sadly know about him.. I don't understand how can someone like this happen. Even just the fact he is a pastor yet so hateful is repulsive to me. But I'm glat all his bullshit sparked so much outrage!

Lol I love when people say he's gay and make fun of him. I'm sure he's 100% gay and is just homofobic because of that.

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Is Brazil as corrupted as it is said to be ? I'm sorry but I have such a great image of the brazilians yet i can't help but feel the country is overly corrupted when you see the difference between poor/rich.

Yeh, I think the most corrupted country in the world.

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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2014, 09:28:00 PM »
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Yeh, I think the most corrupted country in the world.
Less than Italy  ::)


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Re: The Politics Thread
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2014, 10:10:15 PM »
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Yeh, I think the most corrupted country in the world.
Less than Italy  ::)

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